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Since the Constitution isn't enforced, what remedy is there?

The constitution is very specific but laws that blatantly defy it, like the PATRIOT ACT, are allowed to exist. The constitution says that only gold and silver can be used for legal tender. Instead the Federal Reserve issues paper currency. If the constitution is not enforced then what remedy is there?

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      • sworntodefendsworntodefend commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        If we had a guy like the Judge running as a libertarian (Ron Paul can't win, sorry)we could at least have this issue brought to bear. Its more important than the economy Id rather be poor and free if it came down to it. Were going to be living under a dictator if this keeps up. It will take a bully pulpit to see it through without an arab spring type thing or worse. The networks don't know the mind of the people, but I believe if a candidate stood where the views of progressives, libertarians and tea party intersect they could win the whole thing and finally break through this corperate owned two party insanity.

      • Tight FistTight Fist commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Is the oath politicians take when entering office a verbal contract & does that verbal contract have the same validity as if signed, since it was sworn under oath & in the presence of witnesses ? Could every citizen file a police report that tangible & intangible property has been stolen ?

      • Tight FistTight Fist commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I have asked offal office, politicians, supreme court & am now writting letter to editors to see if someone can tell me if "the Constitution is Law"

      • GarfieldGarfield commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        You took the words out of my mouth Mr. Zuniga. You enforce it. That is the beauty of the AmericaAgain! project. Holding elected representatives criminally accountable for constitutional violation. Simply "not obeying" unconstitutional laws cannot be the answer; it may be a start. But while people are "not obeying" the federal governement continues to grab power. We the people can enforce the Constitution. www.myamericaagain.org

      • dmzunigadmzuniga commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Q: "If the constitution is not enforced then what remedy is there?"
        A: Begin to ENFORCE it, for goodness' sakes.

        No, not through single-state nullification; that's an invitation to state or regional atomization of the republic, inviting a draconian, tyrannical federal reaction with no nationwide counterthreat by We The People.

        And certainly not Bob Schulz's "petition for redress of grievances". We already have years of petitions, demonstrations, and remonstrances to absolutely no effect. Those who are of the criminal mind in Congress have absolutely no motivation to reform their criminal habits.

        And they are very OLD habits, I might add; the Congress' IRS check-skimming scam and its evil twin, granting a counterfeiting concession to a private banking cartel (the Fed) -- that's a 97 YEAR OLD racketeering scandal. The best that the real 'fighters' in Congress can do? Calling for an AUDIT of the scams?

        This is like calling for an audit of the Colombian Medellin Cartel. Please, spare me; this is NOT what Madison and Jefferson meant, when they said that We The People, through our sovereign States, had the DUTY to "judge of these infractions, and apply remedies"!

        AmericaAgain! is the answer. It is multi-pronged, tactical enforcement of the 9th and 10th Amendments, by splitting up Congress, bringing the individual operatives home to face STATE CRIMINAL STATUTES that happen to fit the crimes that Congress has collectively committed for a century.

        We The People, through our State Courts (not on our own as vigilantes) assure that the rule of law applies to those feckless perverts in Congress, just as laws apply to us. We make sure that they get something between what Martha Stewart received at Congress' hands...and maybe some of them get a sentence as tough as Bernie Madoff received, for they are MUCH worse criminals, in every way.

        And then, we draft, refine, and force through OUR reform legislation -- short (no law being more than 2-10 pages) and easily understood by the people.

        We also take Tax Honesty to scale -- from the present estimated 67 million non-filers, to perhaps twice as many; and we specifically keep the 'FairTax' "revenue neutral" Trojan horse out of our camp. The powers enumerated to federal government don;t even total $800 billion per year...yet the Taxspenders are skimming $3.7 TRILLION a year off the Taxpayers!!?

        www.myamericaagain.org

        This isn't rocket science. It's like asking "How can I get my 19-year-old to stop being such a spoiled brat? He beats me almost every day; he leaves his dirty clothes all over the house; he refuses to wipe himself after going potty. We gave him a new Ferrari, two unlimited credit cards, and an average of $1200 cash every Friday! What more can we do to enforce the law in our home??"

        Duh.

        AmericaAgain! is being designed as a private, perennial charitable trust with a permanent campus meant to last as long as the Constitution does. We're planning to teach citizens to ENFORCE their Constitution for the rest of American history.

        We intend to see corrupt gangsters in Congress, thrown in their State Penitentiary and stripped of family assets, just as Madoff was last year; their crimes are FAR worse. They have for too long danced to the tune of equally corrupt major industries, who have been writing their "laws" for a century. Now WE will write the laws, and we'll make them short so they'll actually READ them before voting on them!

        THAT is the AmericaAgain! strategic plan. Law enforcement has never been an easy field, yet no law is more in need of long-overdue enforcement than our Supreme Law. So join us, and roll up your sleeves.

        Oh...and while you're at it...vote for Judge Napolitano to become the AmericaAgain! Chief Counsel. There is no individual whose background and demeanor better suits him for this task: to forge American history in our day, and make a new way of life for citizens: the end of politics, and the beginning of informed self-government.

        www.myamericaagain.org

      • Gordon JohnsonGordon Johnson commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        If you want to return to the Constitution, you can't get there without a resurrection of Nullification Doctrine.

        If you want to resurrect Nullification you must take back the debate at the State level.

        If you want to take back the State level you must first take back your home town...

        See how this goes?

      • will wohlerwill wohler commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Good Question! One potentially quite powerful remedy is for enough of us to ACT on the 1st Amendment 'Petition for Redress of Grievances' clause. This approach is what the We The People organization/ foundation is trying to do. (See their entry in this forum, currently ranked about 8th). One "backstop" process which this Redress of Grievances remedy will greatly benefit from - if not require - is that of Jury Nullification. JN is also listed as a candidate for higher-level discussion here. JN would also be quite helpful (or even essential) as a safeguard or backstop for some of the other strategies under consideration here.

      • Nasty MacNabbyNasty MacNabby commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        It is not the duty of the government to enforce the Constitution; this is a task for the people to enforce. That is why we due process and the right to be made whole inconsideration of our grievances is prescribed for within the Bill of Rights. Without such rights, without inferring and without enforcing such rights, the Constitution means absolutely nothing… You know the Socialist Republic of Russia had a Constitution as well, only there’s included no due process, and look how well that document faired for all those stripped of their rights, their property, and their lives. While all lived out their lives in fear under tyrannical rule.

      • Michael DoniheMichael Donihe commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        SubVet, your are correct in you constitutional deduction. Any law that circumvents the constitution is null and void. The problem is, the American people have been so dumb-down that they cannot see the act of treason committed against them.

      • SubVetSubVet commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        One way to start enforcing the constitution is to peacefully disobey things that violate the supreme law of this country.

        Marbury v. Madison, 1803
        “A law repugnant to the Constitution is void.”

        You are likely to find yourself being forced to submit because we no longer have the "Force of Law" but are rather subject to the "Law of Force" being used against us.

      • Don FolkersDon Folkers commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I have known John F. McManus, President of The John Birch Society, for years. He is one of the best experts on the Constitution and he is also a great communicator who has been on C-Span many times.

      • william duffwilliam duff commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        The remedy, of course, is to compel its enforcement. read my show suggestion "Selective Incorporation Doctrine" ........ this doctrine is not only the most egregious attack on our liberty but it is also a complete nullity as it is not in pursuance of the constitution......... pure judicial activism, THIS IS THE KEY
        WILLIAM DUFF

      • Larry WilliamsLarry Williams commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Quote from above:

        -----"The constitution says that only gold and silver can be used for legal tender. Instead the Federal Reserve issues paper currency."

        First, the U.S. Constitution does not say that only gold and silver can be used for legal tender. What the Constitution says is that "No State shall [ . . . . ] make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts [ . . . . ]" U.S. Constit.., art. I, sec. 10, clause 1.

        Nothing in the Constitution says that the Federal Reserve System cannot issue paper currency.

        First, the Federal Reserve System is not a "State."

        Second, the concept of "legal tender" (Article I, sec. 10, clause 1) and the concept of "currency" are two separate concepts.

        Article I, section 10, clause 1 does not apply to the Federal Reserve System.

      • Aaron MillerAaron Miller commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        I often hear that we are a nation of laws, but law is always subject to the will of individuals: the will of those with the power to enforce it or not enforce it, and the power of citizens to obey or disobey. The free will of human beings cannot be excluded from any legal or political system.

        If you read "The 5,000 Year Leap", you'll understand that our Founders recognized this. They knew that our wonderful system of government can only remain honorable so long as the culture of our people remains honorable.

        We must struggle to change not only our government and media, but also the perceptions, knowledge, and wisdom of individuals. As Christ demonstrated long ago, our focus should always be on changing individual hearts and minds. Change the persons who operate a system, and you will change the system.

      • Bob VincentBob Vincent commented  ·   ·  Flag as inappropriate

        Three boxes to be used in defense of liberty:

        1. Soap Box.
        2. Ballot Box.
        3. Ammo Box.

        Please use in that order.

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